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HISTORY of the A.p.B.T. and the OFRN STRAIN. / OFRN 1967.
« on: December 16, 2015, 09:46:43 AM »
"Regardless of one's historical perspective, these old amber-eyed, red-nosed, red-toe-nailed, red-coated dogs represent some of the most significant pit bull history and
 tradition that stands on four legs today."
 McNolty - 30-30 Journal (1967)

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Pavle Barta I hope, that this is going to be interesting to someone. Smile Stoicevic Bojan mentioned me regarding the APBTs history, so I'll write a word or two...

Now how can someone speak about a breed when they aren't even from this country?

 Speaking about the origins of the APBT and two different general opinions, both of them are right in some way. How can it be so? I’ll try to explain. Naturally, we won’t agree on every aspect. Olde English Bulldogge was predominantly white dog with brindle or color patches. If you look at the old pictures, it is very rare that there are animals of different color (sometimes predominantly brindle).

The person is referring to the current breed of dog Olde English Bulldogge, the original English Bulldog was brindle. With a red or brown back ground behind the brindle strips. He look nothing like the breed you see today of Olde English Bulldogge as in the movie Turner and Hooch staring Tom Hanks.
 The colors marking he is referring often appear of the dogs from the county of Staffordshire England where they were brindle and white.


 There were no solid old English bulldogs, black bulldogs, red bulldogs, black and tan or fawn etc. You will also notice that the old working terriers were mostly black, fawn, yellow, black and ten and white with colored patches. I know that Richard Stratton said one thing, but on the other hand, John Colby said something completely different. I respect Richard Stratton of course, but in my
 opinion his point of view is rather romantic.
 
I described the color origin on my forum:
http://www.ironlinekennels.com/pitbullofrn/index.php?topic=39.0

 What John Colby wrote was his confusion between the history of the English Bull Terrier (like Spuds McKenzie, Budweiser commercials) who descended from the English Bulldog and the English White Terrier, now extinct..
 John Colby was one of the founding members of the AST with AKC.
 They ban red, liver colored, red nose, black & tan, dogs with more then 80% white or all white on them.
 Years later these same dogs started to produce red/red nose dogs where the Irish influence had already been bred into them.


 Bull and Terriers started to show in greater numbers from 18th to 19th century in Britain. At that time, people started moving from the countryside to cities. In 1835 the Cruelty to Animal Act was declared. The bull-baiting was prohibited by law.
 
Animal Cruelty laws in US didn't start until the 1930's. Bull baiting was allowed up until the 1900. It was believe it help tenderize the meat.
 Industrialization didn't start until after the civil war and it started here in the US that is why we became the most powerful county in the world. It wasn't in Great Britain.


 You have to know that at that time only rich people (farmers) and nobility had the right to have bulldogs and hounds. Poor people had terriers. One more thing we have to consider is that at that time there were no breeds in present-day terms.

WHAT? farmers were rich? Since when?? They used the bulldog to control the bull! It had nothing to do with the class system. Often many hunters used Bulldogs as their kill dog. Yes there was dogs in the 1800's as known as purebred. Kennel Club of England had shows back in those times. English Bull Terrier was often showed at them. Remember Pilot and Crib match was in the 1850s.

 There were no “purebred” dogs. Old bulldogs were often crossed with Grayhounds to improve speed and agility, long before they were crossed with terriers. Poor people fought their terriers and “bull and terriers”, rich people fought their bulldogs with bulls, ‘cause it was a “noble” sport. When the sport of bull-baiting was banned, bulldogs started to fight in the pits. There they encountered a close relative who
 was smaller, faster, quicker, and more intelligent with more pronounced killer instinct.

Yes there was, there were dog shows put on by the Kennel Club of England in the 1800's. Bulldogs were never crossed. There was no need in it. They were used as kill dogs. Hounds were used for scent and sight for prey. Greyhounds wasn't even a known breed back then. Back then a lot of people mutt bred dogs. There was no grand scheme of things to create a breed.

 That guy was called “half and half” or “Bull and Terrier”. The irony is that Olde English Bulldogge descendant was guilty for its extinction. There was no need for such a dog (old bulldog in his bull-baiting form) anymore and it disappeared through those crosses. Of course, Olde English Bulldogge continued to live through “Bull and Terriers”. You have to also consider that the terriers of that time were entirely working dogs.
 
Here is the common mistake people make about the A(p)BT, is the belief the whole breed came only from Great Britain. The only time a reference was EVER made was with the Staffords from England. No other country or breed of fighting bulldogs made reference to a terrier cross. This was brought on because of the confusion of the 2 breeds and often it was thought the dogs from Staffordshire was created the same way as the English Bull Terrier. To this day no one can actually state what type of terrier was used to create the Staffords. So it has to be assumed, since they were different breeds, none was ever used but just to mutt breed.

 Nowadays, where you can find the gameness? There are no “game” mastiffs, but there are game German Jagdterriers, fox terriers, Jack Russell Terries, Patterdale terriers, Fell terriers, bull terriers etc. Someone will say: “Yes, because they have bulldog blood in them!”. Exactly! That is the point! All of them are descendants of “Bull and Terriers”.

There isn't? Oh yes there is. Gameness for a sport in hunting is instinctive same as fighting is for the Pit Dogs. Since we owned the number 3 rank hunting Jack Russell Terrier in North America for many years I can tell you this is a false statement to claim there is bulldog in them. This sentence is repetitive in the first place. Fox Terrier and Patterdale Terriers help create the Jack Russell. The Fell IS another name for the Patterdale Terrier! There has never been dogs produced by them which appeared to have bulldog in them. The author of this article must not be knowledgeable of the fact Hounds were crossed to Bulldogs to create the breed of dogs called Terriers!

 The point is that the crossing was done in that way that the phenotype
 remained as it was required. Hunting terriers had to be small enough to enter the hole, fast and light enough to kill as many rats as possible in a short period of time. You have to know that those terriers had been bred for their working abilities for centuries. In “Of English Dogges, by John Caius Doctor of Phisicke in the Universitie of Cambridge, 1576“ you can find descriptions of how the terriers of that time tore up foxes and badgers to pieces. What I want to say is that not only bulldogs were “game” dogs of that time. The fact is that the working terriers were more athletic dogs than old bulldogs. John Meyric, in his book “House Dogs and Sporting Dogs” (1861) writes about the same level of gameness in “Bull and Terriers” and bulldogs but emphasizes better agility and dexterity of the former. John Henry Walsh “Stonehenge” further described “bulldog to bulldog” fights (1859) where dogs gripped each other doing nothing else
 and compared that style to that of Bull and Terriers who were more ferocious, with much more variations in fights and he called them fighting dogs “par excellence“.

It needs to stay on topic, not old writings by people who never owned or fed fighting dogs, topic which is, is there any terrier in the A(p)BT? I have seen Brittney Spaniels and Springer Spaniels to Coon Dogs who's instinctive prey drive was so strong they would hunt themselves to death. Doesn't mean there is Terrier in those dogs or even the Bulldog breed.

 Fighting dogs had to have broader heads and more muscles, but not too heavy to compromise the stamina. Terriers were generally too small and light to fight bigger dogs, and they lacked defensive abilities, but they were more ferocious, quicker, and more intelligent in fighting than old bulldogs. Generally they were much better “dog to dog” fighters than the old bulldogs. They were better attackers.

Terriers won't fight dog to dog to the death like Pit Dogs will do. Bulldogs were known to be the "Killer Hounds".
 They didn't get this reputation by not being able to be quick, intelligence, ferocious attackers! They needed all this not to just survive but to conquer and win.


 So, the point is that old bulldogs and old terriers were not breeds, but working dogs bred to do their jobs best they could. The united traits of those old dogs created the perfection – APBT. A lot of dogmen use the term “bulldog” even today, but that name does not designate a breed but working dogs. You have to know that Olde English Bulldogge had been changing through time
‘because of the different crosses, it was never a “purebred” dog as some want to imply, but it stands as a cornerstone of the American Pit Bull Terrier. All kinds of fighting dogs came to US in the late 1800s. Bulldogs, terriers, bull terriers, Irish Old Family dogs… The best of that “bull and terrier” blood selected for fighting ability have created the dog we admire today.
 
This is true with most all mutt dogs of the pre 1800's.
 Why I say mutt dogs is because a true pure bred dog will reproduce its self and not revert back to one of the foundation breeds used in creating the mutt.
 The point is, there never has been writing from other countries about other fighting breeds that had terrier bred into them.
 Here is where a correction needs to be made. A(p)BT was known to be in the US in the 1700's. Not the late 1800's. I have posters of advertised dog fights in the middle 1800's.

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THE STORY OF AN OLD FAMILY RED NOSE, AN AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER.

DAN GIBSON'S "BUCK". Dan Gibson of Southern Pride Kennels.
Same family as Gr. Ch. Taffy R.O.M.'s mother Bentley's Suzie Que.
Dolly was Gr. Ch. Taffy's grandmother:
The American Pit Bull Terrier in the following story was owned by Dan Gibson of Southern Pride Kennels in 1972.

"Buck was an Old Family Red Nose.
 He was whelped on August 25, 1972. Buck's Dam was from Bentleys "Dolly" of the Williams "Red Jack" and Bill Decordovas' "Cocoa" bloodlines.
This is a true story, based upon Buck's short and tragic life.

 Buck was a beautiful red/red nosed American Pit Bull Terrier. He lived the latter part of his life on a farm in Bluemont, Virginia. As was his custom, Buck would walk Jerry and Peter to the end of their very long lane to the bus stop. It was his way of saying "goodbye" to them in the morning. He would watch as they boarded the bus each day and made their way down the mountain to school. Each afternoon, Buck knew exactly when to run to the end of the lane to greet the young children upon their arrival from school. Oh how he loved those children! He and the children would play together for endless hours; however, he was ever mindful not to be too rough with them as he seemed to be aware of their fragility.

 One morning, after the children boarded the school bus, instead of returning home immediately, Buck decided to investigate the area. He ventured up the winding dirt road for quite some distance and found nothing but birds, insects and trees. This was very boring, even for a dog who generally had no trouble entertaining himself. Thus it was that Buck decided to explore the opposite direction. He had walked for quite some time when he passed the only nearby house on their road. Buck suddenly stopped, stood stiffly and sniffed the air. He smelled the presence of another dog, yet he could not see him. There was a board fence surrounding the neighbors house, except for a narrow chain link gate. Without warning or even a single sound, a huge white German Shepherd male dog charged the chain link gate. He struck the gate with such force that he was bounced backward several feet. Buck stood perfectly still, as the raging white dog repeated his attempts to attack him. Buck sensed an evil presence with this dog, a dog who attacked with no barks or growls. Buck watched amusedly as the Shepherd continued his onslaught. Off in the distance, Buck heard his master wife's voice calling him and he could tell by the tone of her voice he was in deep trouble.

 Responding immediately to the call, he raced back up the road to home. Annabelle was very upset that Buck had wandered off the property and was concerned that he might have been hit by an automobile. "You're not allowed to follow the kids to the bus stop anymore", she said. And with those words, Buck was grounded. He watched each morning as the children disappeared down the lane to the bus stop. He was held captive in the house until the kids had caught the bus and were gone from sight. Only then, would he be allowed outside the confines of the house.
 One morning as the children were preparing to leave the house for school, Buck was very ill at ease.
 He sensed something terribly wrong was going to happen that morning, yet could not figure out the source of this awful premonition. Buck whined and scratched at the entrance to the door to see for himself what was the object of his concern. The children kissed their mother goodbye and started down the lane. Annabelle scolded Buck harshly for his unexplained behavior and told him to go lay down. Try as he might, Buck could not shake the horrible feeling of impending doom. He had to follow the children, he just had to! Annabelle started her morning chores and Buck continued his pacing back and forth. The garage door! Buck recalled the garage door was sometimes left open. Once there, he discovered the door, had, in fact, been left ajar, and Buck slipped out into the still morning air. He knew he was being disobedient, but he had to follow the children down the lane. Buck crouched low to help avoid detection by the children as he knew they would make him go home if they saw him. Still the horrid feeling was with him, although he knew not of the origin of his nightmare. The children had reached the end of the lane now, and were standing waiting for the bus. Out of the corner of his eye, Buck caught a movement in the bushes.

 It was the white German Shepherd. He was sneaking toward the children, eyes ablaze with hatred, and saliva dripping from his jowls. Buck now knew what he had sensed, the giant white dog had escaped his confines and was now preparing to attack his children! Buck speeded up his approach now, as he could tell the white dog was close to springing his attack on the defenseless children. Buck ran with all his strength, faster and faster to the defense of the children who had shown him so much love.

 The huge white dog leaped high into the air, mouth wide open, ready to tear the life from the human child called Jerry. Buck sprang simultaneously and hit the crazed dog only a millisecond before he impacted the child. The Shepherd was twice Buck's size, and threw him around like a rag doll. The white dog was slashing Buck and inflicting him grievous wounds, yet Buck knew he had to stop this dog from harming his beloved children.
 Driven by countless generations of his pit bull heritage, Buck knew he must get a hold on the colossus and not let go, less the dog harm the children.

 As they parried for position, Buck saw his opportunity and latched onto the back of the white dog. Try as he might, the Shepherd could not shake the little dog from his hold on him. The children stood horrified as the battle continued. Annabelle had heard the fighting and the children screaming and came running up the lane to see what the commotion was all about. When she arrived at the scene, she tried to call Buck off from his defense of the children. Buck would not let go as he knew the sinister intentions of this dog. By this time the neighbor who owned the Shepherd had arrived on the scene and tried to break up the fight, but to no avail. "RUN CHILDREN, RUN!", Buck thought, as he was weakening from the pounding his much larger opponent had given him. Suddenly, the neighbor appeared back on the scene with a gun, a shotgun and told Annabelle that if she did not make her dog stop he would shoot him. Buck was not about to free his hold on the white dog until the children were safe, and no amount of coaxing would make him release his hold on the German Shepherd. A shotgun blast rang out from the neighbors gun and Buck lay mortally wounded, his life blood flowing into red puddles onto the hard clay soil. Annabelle and the children, crying hysterically, ran down the lane back to their home. "I must hang on for just a little while longer." Buck thought. The darkness of the Grim Reaper descended upon him and he closed his eyes with a final vision of the children fleeing to safety. He released his hold on the German Shepherd and knowing that his beloved children were now secure, slowly closed his eyes in death and breathed his last breath."

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Whether you want to refer to them as smut or widows peak, I'm still waiting for anyone to show me a dog or a line of dogs which carried this trait from any of the old noted OFRN breeders.
 Hemphill, Wallace, McCoy, Williams, DeCordvas, Trice, Cole, Corcoran, Feeley, Shipley, etc. NONE had this colorization in their dogs.
 It is not standard in the strain of Old Family Red Nose.

UC Davis of CA.

 "Grizzle (also called domino) is a pattern of dark pigment (eumelanin) on the dorsal surface of the head, body and tops of the legs; light pigment (pheomelanin) is present on the lower legs, undersides and up the face around the eyes. The distinctive face pattern is often referred to as a widow’s peak. This variant has only been seen in Afghan and Saluki hounds. Grizzle can only be expressed when the Dominant black gene is not present (N/N) and the agouti gene is at/at."

Take note:
"Grizzle can only be expressed when the Dominant black gene is not present"
http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/dog/mc1r.php

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One of the greatest females ever to look through a collar.
Her accomplishments of GIS and BIS makes it even more worthy of her greatness then just about anything else.
She is un-disputably the only female in history ever to achieve the great distinction of being a
RECOGNIZED ALL-AROUND CHAMPION!

She comes from a bloodline of a kennel, the ONLY bloodline,
to have produced two RECOGNIZED ALL-AROUND champions.
Upon her arrival to Ironline Kennels,
was the intent of making her a brood matron.

Two weeks after having her first litter weaned off her,
she was showed for the first time and didn't place.
She was not showed the next day.
Following year and not making a serious intent to show her,
she was not in top shape and was way over weight and
only placed a third in the two day weekend show.
She also had a second litter during this time.
From then on, it was on!!
She took 7 first places and 6 second places to become
 The Only Female in history to achieve this status!

What makes this female more un-usual is her personality.
Smart as hell and protective by intelligence but so human friendly upon knowing,
she was completely submissive with people.
A baby was safe laying in her belly.

As a brood female,
she will never truly get the recognition she should for producing because
 her first litter only two pups got out to other people.
None from her second and only one from her last.
Her pups were horded by Ironline Kennels.

The accomplishments of herself, has become legendary by some masses.

This female's legacy will live on forever with Ironline Kennels.

The name of this un-parallel female is the great:

CHAMPION DUTCHESS

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SHOW NEWS, EVENTS and OTHER INFORMATION. / CHAMPION GAMBLER!
« on: December 16, 2015, 08:38:03 AM »
If a dog ever deserver the respect of recognition for his accomplishment it's Ch. Gambler!

Ch. Gambler is only one of about 14 dogs ever to achieve the status of a recognized All-Around Champion.
At the time he achieve it there were only about 11 dogs who have ever earned that status.

Ch. Gambler took 7 first places and two Best in Show trophies. Never beaten in his class.
I didn't take the shows serious enough to have him in top condition for showing or he could have made champion in one weekend :!:
4 or the other 5 judges told me if he would have been in top condition they would have gave him Best in Show.

The judges who gave Ch. Gambler Best in Show was Amy Greenwood Burford and Mary Lu Craig.
At the time of competing, the shows he competed in, where two of the largest shows up to that time.
MI. and IN. shows of 1995. At the time of the shows Ch. Gambler was going on 6 years old.
The President of ADBA, Kate Greenwood, said this was the first time a dog of his age had ever done this in such short amount of time.

The rest of the story is UN-BELIEVABLE!!

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I will no longer be interested in judging at this time or in the near future for personal reasons.
 As you have seen on my website, I have done so in the past:
http://www.ironlinekennels.com/Page_26_IRONLx.html

At this time, I considered myself retired from doing so, at least with these organizations and a few others.
 I might reconsidered for OFRNR INC.
 I have no plans at this, so please don't ask because I don't like to refused peoples' request for participation.
http://www.ironlinekennels.com/Page_63_Judgix.html

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SHOW NEWS, EVENTS and OTHER INFORMATION. / Ironline Ms C.
« on: December 16, 2015, 08:33:21 AM »
Bearcat State AADR September 2005 Shows:

 3 Place 6 to 9 Month Females, Judge Rod D.
 2 Place 6 to 9 Month Females, Judge Robert H.

Detroit AADR October 2005 Shows:

 2 Place 6 to 9 Month Females, Judge Ben P.
 1 Place 6 to 9 Month Females, Judge Susan P.
 1 Place 6 to 9 Month Females, Judge Stoney G.

Trophies:

Best Red Nose
Best Brindle

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SHOW NEWS, EVENTS and OTHER INFORMATION. / Ch. Bobcat II.
« on: December 16, 2015, 08:32:06 AM »
DOB Feb. 25, 1998. DOD Dec 1, 2012.

 AADR Bearcat State Show and Pull 2004.
 Weight Pull Class:
FIRST PLACE
BEST MALE ULTIMATE PULL
BEST MALE POUND for POUND

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May 1, 2005 AADR Bearcat State Show. Judge Dan Brogan.

 Ole Man took First Place in his Class, Best Male and Best of Show.
 I kept the first place ribbon and Best Male Trophy.
 Jim got the Best of Show Trophy because he never had one before. I paid the entry.

 Ole Man was a litter mate to Ch. Hagler.

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SHOW NEWS, EVENTS and OTHER INFORMATION. / Norrod's Cassius Clay.
« on: December 16, 2015, 08:27:48 AM »
Almost straight Maximillian and Susie Que.
Mitzie appears once in the fourth generation.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=10133

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SHOW NEWS, EVENTS and OTHER INFORMATION. / Norrod's Iron Massie
« on: December 16, 2015, 08:25:46 AM »
Picture as she appeared in Stratton's first book "this is the american pit bull terrier":

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=7339

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SHOW NEWS, EVENTS and OTHER INFORMATION. / Ironline's Tex Watson
« on: December 16, 2015, 08:23:02 AM »
Tex Watson took 1st place in the 12 to 18 month males at the Detroit AADR Fun show April 8, 2006.

Cajun Country Pit Bull Club ADBA show:

 3/17/07
 2nd place 2 to 3 yo males
 Judge Abel Santillan

 3/18/07
 3rd place 2 to 3yo males
 Judge Mary Cullifer

 Both classes over 10 males...

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