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FAQ / Pens compared to Tie Outs.
« Last post by D.M. Norrod on December 19, 2015, 12:12:38 PM »
Special interest groups like PETA (or any other of the new names they use, because of the bad press PETA is receiving) and other allege communist, drug and terrorist funding groups, are trying to have anti-tethering laws passed.

 Their claim is, chains makes dogs vicious.
 The problem with this theory is whether or not it is a social behavior or hereditary problem.

 Vicious dog behavior is greatly debated on, how this is created and why does this behavior appear.

 It is basically the same debate in humans that are murders, are they born that way or are they a product of their environment?

 So does chains make dogs vicious?
 Not by simply being placed and left on a chain.
 If the hereditary fault is within the genetic makeup of the dog then it can manifest itself.

 Physical abuse, whether on a chain or not, it has been known to create ill-temper dogs.

 So what does these special interest groups suggest?
 1 hr. a day on the chain, 3 hrs off.
 No more then the total of 3 hrs on the chain for the whole day.

 So what does this leave, what the special interest groups call irresponsible owners?
 They will go out and buy cheap crates and pens and put them in an area where if they soil the area, the owner won't have to smell or deal with it.
 Not to mention the concrete pens the dogs will freeze in when it comes winter. Concrete gets as cold as its environment.
 Pens, dogs can escape from by digging or climbing out of. Or pressing on the latch hard enough until it turns and gives way.
 Because this only address tethering, not penning of a dog.

 Will government officials allow these fanatics play them as stooges?
 Or will they keep the best interest of the dogs in mind?

 Will they listen to the pro of tethering after they listened to the "con" job just ran on them?

 The pros to tethering:

 Keeps the dogs safe from interacting with other dogs where an altercation might arise.
 Keeps them from roaming and being a menace and destructive to personal property and physical harm to humans.
 Great for exercise. More square foot area then a pen.
 Cleaner then pens because ground allows drainage un-like concrete where water and the snow liquidates the feces, which in turn, soils everything in the pen area.
 Concrete pens are very cold and hot, depending on the season, and extremely hard on the joints, feet and bones of the dog.
 The dog becomes extroverted. Pens make a dog introverted. Pens make a dog be consumed in their own little world and takes on the behavior of a caged animal.

 These special interest bleeding hearts try to convince government officials tethering makes dogs human aggressive because they are deprived of food, water and housing. This simply is not true. Some cases this has happened but it has also happened INSIDE the home! Often dogs tethered are in better health and physical fitness then a dog kept in a house. No one can deny being out doors is healthier for animals then being kept in doors. Dogs need vitamin D to retain calcium for strong bones and healthy coats. This comes from being in sunlight. Most responsible owners who tether dogs have them equipped with automatic feeders and water. Insulated dog house and bedding for the change of the seasons.

 These practices fall under animal well-fair not under animal rights. God's will, Man was given dominion over all plants and animals on earth to do with as mankind sees fit. Only a non-Christian would want animals with equal rights as humans. Laws and life style where man is subservient to animals or of animal worship.

 It is the responsibility of government of the people of the United States to protect the Bill of Rights of human beings of this country where laws are not passed to superseded the rights of the people. KEEP PEOPLE FIRST!
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FAQ / National Association of Rural Land Owners
« Last post by D.M. Norrod on December 19, 2015, 12:11:01 PM »
We are trying to increase the sale of our No Trespassing signs to help NARLO grow. You purchased 7 of our No Trespassing signs a while back. We hope the signs have worked out for you. We would appreciate if you could help us again with just a minimal effort. Please forward the following message (below the line) about our specialized No Trespassing signs to the rural landowners on your e-mail list. They will be glad you did. It costs you but a few minutes of your time and it will help us immensely. You are welcome to modify our opening message, if you deem it appropriate.

 These signs have now been installed in the following states: Washington, California, Nevada, Texas, Tennessee, Indiana, Michigan, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Georgia and Florida. Our goal is to have them installed in all 50 states in the next year.

 Hope all is well with you and your family.

 Thanks for your help and take care,



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 425 222-4742 or 1 800 682-7848
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 NARLO has indicated to us that should a government agent enter your land with these signs displayed, they are guilty of trespass and can be brought up on civil or criminal trespass charges, depending on the circumstances. NARLO went on to say that In some courts, the judges will waive any fines and penalties levied by government, if the government agent trespassed on your property in the presence of a No Trespassing signs.

 You can order the signs from the NARLO website (www.narlo.org/sign.html), or by using the attached order form. Your land may be your largest asset. It is certainly worth the cost of these signs to protect that asset from government interference and abuse of your constitutional rights?


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Once you actually post them, EVERYONE has to abide by a posted no trespassing sign and local or state laws can NOT superseded Federal law!

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FAQ / New to the Breed? BEWARE!
« Last post by D.M. Norrod on December 19, 2015, 12:08:13 PM »
If you are new to the breed, some might call a novice, here is a little advice.

 I have been watching for years people who write books, articles and other things in hope to give themselves a legacy.
 Very few are credible enough to do so.
 Always research the information to see if it is true.

 The most dangerous information is given by foreigners.
 Many are posting on forums, on the Internet. I'm sure they think they are experts when they aren't.
 They mostly do this to promote the bloodline they are selling overseas.
 Though they lack the real knowledge and experience within the breed.
 Most of these people are fanciers from afar.
 Some might have met the dogman they speak about but never really knew him personally.
 Most never knew them at all.

 They never was at the core of the breed first hand. They collect articles and pictures of those who were.
 What is bad about all this is when they give their opinions of their interpretation of what they have obtain about the breed.
 This is when things get misleading.

 They mass produce this misleading information to the world.
 Some of these people have owned the breed for a few decades, head of dog clubs, hosted dogs shows, even wrote books.
 Yet they still don't have the full understanding of the breed, the strains within the breed.
 True behavior of the breed. Purpose and quality of the real part of the breed.
 Some even have the gall to criticize dogmen who has owned this breed all their life and have done it all.
 Criticize dogmen here in the U.S. who knew all the known dogmen and had been all the way to core with the breed.
 They are the ones who knows what is what within the breed.

 This is an American breed. The best dogs has came from the Americas and are still here.
 They have proved themselves as such, where the others haven't.
 Not to any long degree or over decades.
 I'm not saying there hasn't been a few who has did things with the dogs and maybe got lucky with them,
 remember where they came from.
 The longevity of a family of dogs comes from proving themselves over time.
 "Test of a dog is the show. Test of a family is time."

 Until you understand the full spectrum about the breed first hand and over decades, do the breed a favor,
 don't write misleading articles, books, web pages or make posts on forums about this breed/strains until you know the full aspects and capabilities about this breed.
 If you don't have proven knowledge of the full spectrum of the breed from first hand experience,
 do the novices a favor, stop with the misguided information and quit the facade of being an expert about this breed.
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FAQ / Forum Responses for Internet Misinformation.
« Last post by D.M. Norrod on December 19, 2015, 12:06:26 PM »
I've tried to make it a practice not to place derogatory remarks about other people, their dogs or kennel business on my website or billboards.

 Some times you just can't be silent or it might be interrupted as to condole what has been wrote.

 As one of the first well known APBT enthusiasts to engaged people on the Internet over the years there has been much misinformation and miss-interruptions of my posts and others about myself, our dogs and kennels.

 Recently with so much confusion, false statements and others inability to comprehend or to explain their self, I feel it was time to address (websites, billboards, emails, etc.) statements.

 If they are only one speaking people will have no other choice but to believe them because no else is responding. The problem with many of these statements they have on their websites, billboards or other places where moderating is done so the illusion of these miss-information is unable to be rebutted.

 Most often the majority of this information isn't worth the time or effort to correct or respond too of these misguided souls.

 Then there are times they just cross the line of human dignity.
 The purpose of this forum will be for the over the line remarks.
 I'm not going to thread chase all over the Internet nor am I going to go to the bother accessing the location to respond. I will just do it here when there is the need to be.

 For the members who have questions to any of these public remarks please P.M. the questions to me or post them in this forum and I will be more then happy to make a clarification to these statements.

 For others who wish to read a response please email me at:
ironlinekennels@ironlinekennels.com

 I always feel better to clear the haze of BS so everyone can see the truth better and remove the stench of rumor mongers and wannabe pretenders and posers.

Recently again I come to realize some people have all the answers and are the "new generation" and knows a better way.
 Many are to the point you just can't teach them or tell them anything.

 High percentage of them want to debate issues.
 So what is the truth is judged by who is best at a debate or who can last the longest or run off at the mouth the most with a bunch of rambling of material which has no merit.

 Some times total facts can't be proven but only from experience and common sense.
 You can warn them as much as you want but they still be in denial.
 Most will believe their own position without trial and error.

 People wonder why people who has owned this breed for decades won't share their information, well every day it comes more clear why they don't, Jealousy.
 Those people just don't want to release to a know-it-all the years of information to someone who is afraid they might be over shadowed or shown the lack of their knowledge or their failures with the breed or the lack of success there of.

 People with 40+ years don't need to prove themselves to no one, they already have.
 They don't have to continue over and over to prove the truth in what they know.
 Specially through mere words. Their knowledge comes from hands on experience.

 So where does that leave me?
 For over 20+ years on the Internet I come to the point I just don't care about miss information others are told on the Internet.

 I have other endeavors I need to address and don't have time to just sit at a computer and hand feed information on other's forums for their benefits just to ward off continued attacks because people are to immature and self loathing of their own delusions of grandeur.

 Many I think does this for the sole purpose of getting the attention of some one who has a reputation and more experience to feel relevant or important to be in a debate with the "Older Generation".
 To think they have a bit of importance if they should do well in a debate.
A debate never prove the worth of a pit dog or the understanding of them.
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The A.(p).B.T. has many different foundation breeds which help create the breed we know today.
Today you can basically trace back many different strains of the A.(p). B.T. to the foundation breeds by the dominance of their appearance and characteristics of behavior.
Many of the strains today still appear with great dominance.
OFRN, the Blue Dogs (Blue Pols), the Black & Tan, etc.

http://www.ironlinekennels.com/pitbullofrn/index.php?board=3.0

Old Family Red Nose.

Old Family Red Nose aka OFRN, is a strain with in the breed of the A.(p).B.T.
Dan McCoy coined the name for this strain which had the looks and characteristics of the foundation dog of the Irish Old Family Reds.
The Irish fighting dogs have been extinct for over 100 years.

So why was the strain of OFRN so popular and sought after?
Why did people like Robert Hemphill, Daniel McCoy, James Corcoran, I.D. Cole, Robert Wallace, James Williams, etc. so intrigued by them?

They had the characteristics of the foundation breed of the Old Family Reds.
So what was so great or desirable of the foundation breed of the Old Family Reds?
So what was the characteristics?

First you have to understand how breeding was done back in the time when people barely knew how to read and write and DNA comparison and selective breeding traits compound on alike genes was never heard of.
i.e. In 1936 was a book wrote by Joesph Colby of a how to book for the A.(p).B.T.
Before this and after this, reference has been made in books of this same style breeding method.
Joesph wrote to breed father to daughter, son to mother and brother to sister to restore gameness in a bloodline.

Joesph was basically referring to breeding on alike gene traits, like gameness with in a family of dogs.
Once done and restored, other methods can be considered.
One was tight line breeding or if certain abilities were lost and could be restored by another style of breeding.
The problem with this style of breeding Joesph was referring too, not all strains or bloodlines could do this method of breeding.
Many problems would appear from congenital to conformational faults.

So this is why OFRN were so sought after and every modern known sporting bloodline has OFRN strain in them, some more then others.
Why is because of the characteristics of the Old Family Reds found in the strain of OFRN.
First you have to look at the breed of Irish Old Family Reds who were used as the one of A.(p).B.T. foundation breeds.

The name of Old Family Reds.

The last part of the name is self explanatory. The dogs from Ireland was mostly red in color.
Old Family is the important factor in why the strain of OFRN were sought after.
In each county or Klan in Ireland the dogs were selectively breed and the preferred method of breeding was tight family or inbreeding.
Over the many years of this style of breeding the characteristics faults like congenital and conformation were eliminated.
Each Klan's dogs became so standardized, so tightly bred to the point each Klan's dogs almost became a sub-breed to the Irish bred fighting dog.
They clearly started to sub-strain.
The name Old Family was a given in reference because each family (Klan) had their own version of this breed of fighting dog.

When the breed of Old Family Reds were bred to other fighting dogs to help create the breed of A.(p).B.T. and the need came to restore gameness, this strain (OFRN) who had the characteristics of its' foundation breed, was able to be bred by this method referred too in so many books.
This is why Robert Hemphill in his advertisements would write:
"Gamest dogs ever bred!"
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CURRENT & FUTURE BREEDINGS and OTHER INFORMATION. / Re: CURRENT & FUTURE BREEDINGS.
« Last post by D.M. Norrod on December 16, 2015, 08:07:10 PM »
Ironline Kennels now has two url:
www.ironlinekennels.com

AND
www.pitbullofrn.com

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American Pit Bull Terrier aka APBT,
American Staffordshire Terrier aka AST and
Staffordshire Bull Terrier aka SBT.

 I will start with SBT.
The SBT is suppose to be a direct descendant from the dogs from the county of Staffordshire England.
Over the years the conformation and temperament breeding standards have change.
The size has been change to a standard of a smaller breed and the instinctive traits of gameness have been bred out of the breed.

 The dogs from the county of Staffordshire was only one of many breeds of dogs which help create the APBT.
IF there was terrier bred into these dogs this is the only known breed, which helps make up the APBT, makes any reference to it.

 Since the SBT wasn't recognized as a pure breed by the Kennel Club of England until 1935, it is hard to make the claim this is the same breed or standard of the breed, which was brought over from England and was used in help making the APBT.

 The APBT has been known to be in the U.S. as early as the late 1700's.
Many well known matches were advertised in public papers in the middle 1800's
APBT was recognized as a pure breed by UKC in 1898.
The APBT was recognized as a pure breed for 38 years, almost 4 decades before the SBT was recognized as a pure breed.
If anything, one must question if there might have been APBT bred into the SBT to help standardize the breed for recognition.
So at best, the claim would have to be, they are distance cousin breeds, but clearly are and always have been, two different breeds and APBT didn't evolve from the known SBT.

 In 1936 the Staffordshire Terrier was recognized as a pure breed by AKC.
In 1972 the name was changed to American Staffordshire Terrier so it wasn't confused with its cousin the SBT.
During this time animal cruelty laws were being passed into law.
Books like Beautiful Joe, Beautiful Joe's Paradise, Punch the Cruisin Dog and Just Happy were wrote about dogs saved from Pit Fighting.
AKC believed it wasn't in the best interest of the breed to have the name (pit) included into the name.
Precedent has always been for AKC to follow the lead of the Kennel Club of England, thus by doing so, again the name took reference to an area of English descent.
 The name American Bull Terrier and Yankee Terrier was also denied.
By doing this, they also only wanted dogs who had the looks and characteristics of the dogs from the county of Staffordshire or of Great Britain.
 The language of the land is English and England has always been credited for everything being founded and descended from, for the whole United States..
Some of the members of the AKC Staffordshire Terrier club didn't want certain strains from the breed of the APBT.
 This is why the standard of the AST excludes red nose, liver colored dogs or black and tan dogs.
Some have questioned whether or not racism didn't play a part in eliminating these strains. Red nose was known to be from Ireland and even today Great Britain and Ireland still don't see eye to eye, like with Northern Ireland, and also during the 30's was the raise of the German power of Hitler. Black and Tan bulldogs were believed to trace back into the Germanic Mastiff.
 This helped exclude the complete spectrum of the APBT and only focused on a limited fraction of the breed.
The look was one of brindle and white black nose or white with black brindle cow patch colors.
The one which almost all the strain was converted over to AST was the dogs from the strain of the Blue Pauls aka Blue Paulies, another strain from (Scotland) Great Britain.
 Very few blue colored dogs today are from the straight bred APBT bloodlines.
Look far enough back into their pedigrees and you find dogs registered and bred to the standard of the AST.
 If you read the old Bloodlines Journals published by UKC, their policy was to bar anyone who would try and dual register their dogs both UKC and AKC.

 One of the founding members of the AST was John P. Colby.
John P. Colby was known not for using UKC, for whatever reasons.
As late as the 1950's, dogs like Colby's Dime wasn't UKC Purple Ribbon registered.
ADBA was known basically as a private registry for Colby dogs.
 A Colby dog was almost used as standard for AST and if that dog was used,
the standard would have been undershot dogs, so it was claimed.
 
 The first 9 dogs weren't from UKC registration.
It is believe these from ADBA registration.
 The 10th dog was none other then the famous Petie of the Little Rascals aka Our Gang. Petie was the first UKC registered American (pit) Bull Terrier registered with AKC as an AST.
It is a known fact AST evolved from the APBT.
 
 Question is, are they the same breed?
NO!

 Since the full spectrum of the APBT wasn't used in creating the AST,
their heritage isn't the same as a breed.

 The conformation standards are not the same.
The AST has over sized head and front end. Isn't athletic as the APBT.
AST are straight back with less dexterity and a smaller rear end.

 The temperament and instinctive traits are not the same.
By breeding all gameness out of the AST,
the APBT has a much more stable temperament.
Much more soundness, more fearless, more trustworthy of people.
Less apt to fear bite or turn on its owner.

 If AKC can say the Mini-Bull Terriers and the Standard Bull Terrier are different breeds because of size and registration can not be crossed registered or the Toy, Miniature and Standard Poodles are different breeds and can not be crossed registered because of mire size,

HOW CAN THE APBT AND THE AST BE THE SAME BREED?
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Heritage Reference of the American Pit Bull Terrier.

 Understanding where the different fighting dogs came from,
 will help explain the typical (Type) of the APBT is suppose to look like.

 I have wrote the difference in other breeds compared to the APBT,
 which included their size, to their conformation differences and
 how they are traditionally suppose to look for each breed.

 For the APBT you have to look at the difference of the main well known foundation dogs to understand the color heritage.

 The Staffords from Staffordshire England was a black nose dog which was more common in color of cow patch, white with black brindle patches.
 Not often of solid background colors.
 One of the more known colors of brindle, of a solid color background, was a brownish color,
 later years referred to as the Staff brindle.

 From Scotland came the Blue Pauls, Blue Pols, Blue Paulies.
 These dogs were mainly blue brindle and white with a blue colored nose.
 In later years, with the popularity of this color, this strain started appearing in the dogs with a solid blue coat.

 From Ireland came, the most famous of all the known fighting breeds to help create the APBT,
 the Old Family Reds.
 These dogs came in the color of red, red and white with red noses.
 The color of both the nose and the coat was of a dark red, liver in color or copper red like a penny.

 Black and Tan breed of fighting bulldogs were believed to trace back into the Germanic Mastiff.
 Many were brought over by immigrants from Holland, Hungary, Austria, Germany, etc.

 From France came the Buckskin Fighting Dogs,
 whose heritage appearance was close to the French Mastiff type.
 Often known to be on the larger size compared to the other foundation dogs of the APBT.

 The last colors' heritage was vast, from many known locations, believed to be their heritage.
 Robert F. Lemm wrote in his book "Seen through the Eyes of the Millmaker" the black and brindle dogs mostly came from the mountains of Spain and Italy.
 Another black nose breed.

 With so many of the Americans who are made up with Spanish and Italian descent,
 it would be hard to believe these countries had no influence in making up the APBT in this era.

 Their known history of the game Spanish Bulldog used around the sport of Bull Fighting and the Italian Canine Gladiators used in the coliseums,
 would explain where the main part of the color of black and brindle dogs originated.

 Any other color then the ones mentioned are unexplainable,
 unless it is from breed-crossing from other known breeds of today,
 thus making those dogs' heritage not of the traditional APBT.

 The common mistake, in explaination,
 is due from a well known story of one of the most famous dog men in history.
 His story is flawed because of being bias to his own heritage.
 In writing this story, he excluded all the other known foundation breeds which help create the APBT.

 In his story he writes the APBT was created by crossing the English Bulldog
 to the now extinct English White Terrier.
 In his bias belief, he wanted other owners to believe,
 the APBT was created the same way the English Bull Terrier was created.

 Over time, the variance in colors of the APBT, has proven his belief of the creation of the APBT to be wrong.
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HISTORY of the A.p.B.T. and the OFRN STRAIN. / THE "OLD FAMILY RED NOSE" DOGS
« Last post by D.M. Norrod on December 16, 2015, 10:00:36 AM »
THE "OLD FAMILY RED NOSE" DOGS By E.L. Mullins.


 First of all, this is not a review. I can not possibly say anything concerning the "Old Family Red Nose" dogs that has not already been repeated a hundred times before. This, therefore, is simply another record of what history has already given us and a re-introduction to the very significant part of the history of the American Pit Bull Terrier.

 When we discuss the origin of the "Old Family Red Nose" dogs, we are really discussing the original dogs bred by such men as William J. Lightner and Con Feeley. It was around 1914-1916 that Red Howell, Al Dickson and Joe Peace had dogs from the first litters off of Lightner's "Vick" and Lightner's "Pansy". When the First World War came along, Joe Peace and Al Dickson were drafted and Red Howell was left with the dogs. Red Howell sold some of the dogs, however, most of the dogs he placed in capable and reliable hands of those he knew he could trust. During this time they were known as just food pit dogs. The name "Red Nose", at the time, had never been used to describe a particular line of dogs. It would be Dan McCoy who would later be credited as the first man to coin the phrase, "Old Family Red Nose" dogs to describe and distinguish these dogs as an individual line or strain of the American Pit Bull Terrier. History later gave us the litter of Ferguson's "Centipede", Hemphill's "Golddust", Morris' "Pinkie", and Howell's "Banjo", as well as their close relative, William's "Cyclone".

 Robert H. (Bob) Hemphill, along with Red Howell, went to the kennel of Harvey and Owens in Amarillo, Texas and together they purchased "Golddust". "Golddust", of course, later went to Harry Clark and then to D.A. McClintock, where he died. Earl Tudor obtained "Centipede". "Centipede" was then loaned to Red Howell. Later, Earl Tudor sold "Centipede" to Dave Ferguson. Earl Tudor was also the man who owned the dog called "Cyclone" and eventually sold him to Jim Williams's. It is felt that if Earl Tudor and Red Howell had not won such great battles with these dogs mentioned above, as well as others, that made this particular line so popular. This was the first time you really began to hear about "Red Nose" dogs as a strain.

 Now, not all of the offspring were whelped "Red Nose" from this stock. Some people still feel that the blood in the Con Feeley dogs was much more "Red Nose" then that of the Lightner dogs. It is said W.C. (Bill) Roper bred some of the best "Red Nose" dogs, sent to him by Jim Williams and Bob Wallace. I.D. Cole of Arizona also bred some extremely high caliber dogs, bred down from Slattery's "Mike" and William's "Blade". I.D. Cole also owned Cole's (Fulkerson's) "Spook", a direct grandson of the old Lightner's "Spook". However, the "Red Nose" dogs were never controlled by any one individual or select group of individuals. Many of the "Red Nose" dogs were produced through different crosses. In fact, there were many breeders and fanciers of the "Old Family Red Nose" dogs. There were men such as W.J. Lightner, Con Feeley, J.P. Colby, D.A. McClintock, Dan McCoy, Harvey and Owens, Ferguson, Ferrel, Conklin, Anderson, Bourgeous, Plemmons, Dickenson, Hanson, Williams, Roberts, Cole, Leo Kinard, Ed Crenshaw, Joe Beal, Jake Wilder, just to name a few. However, two of the leading breeders into the late 1960's and the man more often associated with the "Old Family Red Nose" dogs were Robert H. (Bob) Hemphill Jr. and Robert Forster (Bob) Wallace.

 Robert Hemphill had been friends with Earl Tudor as early as 1914. Hemphill became personally interested in the Lightner dogs and in the 1920's began an extensive search to locate and obtain high caliber dogs from this line.

 It was Dan McCoy who received word of the Frenchman who lived in Louisiana by the name of Bourgeous. Bourgeous had received several dogs directly from Mr. William Lightner and for many years had bred and raised these dogs strictly for his own personal satisfaction. Bourgeous was extremely successful in preserving the "Red Nose" strain. Robert Hemphill went with Dan McCoy to Louisiana and aided by Gaboon Trahan, they purchased several dogs from Bougeous. Hemphill's kept only the highest caliber of these "Red Nose" dogs and began to form his foundation stock from them. Hemphill's early advertisements reflect that he had been raising "Old Family Red Nose" dogs since 1927. Throughout his life, Robert Hemphill remained dedicated to the breed and faithful to the "Old Family Red Nose" line. Old advertisements throughout his life reflected his great devotion to keeping the line pure. Until 1966 he advertised strictly "Old Family Red Nose" dogs. After that time, his ads began to reflect the adage of 1/8th to 1/16th "Dibo" breeding.

 Concerning the Lightner dogs, some fanciers and under the false assumption that W.J. Lightner bred only "Red Nose" dogs because of his overwhelming association with them. Those who have really done their homework know that this is not the case at all. He also raised great blacks and dark colored dogs as well. The pinnacle of Lightner's success as a breeder is demonstrated through two dogs; Hall's "Searcy Jeff", owned through time by Jim Searcy, Bob Hemphill and Dr. Hall and then Bob Wallace, was reputed as being the best of the "Red Nose" blood that could ever be bred. The second dog was "Colorado Imp", owned by Jeff Runyon and said to be the best of the black and/or dark blood that could ever be bred. Both of these dogs being bred from the same basic foundation dogs of the same man, William J. Lightner. When these two dogs met each other at Medicine Park, Oklahoma in 1937, they proved William J. Lightner to be one of the greatest breeders of all time. After this meeting, Bob Wallace told Hemphill that he was going to buy this dog, "Searcy Jeff", even if it costs him a thousand dollars! Later, in 1937, when Hemphill left that part of the country, he divided up the dogs with Red Howell and Dr. Hall. Dr. Hall received "Searcy Jeff" and Bob Wallace did eventually buy "Jeff" from him. Also in 1937, Robert Hemphill sent a young dog back to William Lightner, that dog now appears in many of the "Old Family Red Nose" line of today, that dog is known as Lightner's Pumpkin.

 Bob Wallace is also remembered in history for his association and great success with "Old Family Red Nose" dogs. However, there are two main misconceptions concerning Mr. Wallace that should be cleared up at this point. One is that Hemphill and Wallace were partners. They were not. They both shared a deep respect of the "Red Nose" dogs and were both dedicated to keeping the line pure. They were both successful breeders in keeping the line pure, strong and beautiful. They even shared common breeding and interbred their dogs within each other’s line, but they were not partners.

 At the age of thirteen, Bob Wallace met and became friends with the "Old Timer", Ben Flannery. Throughout his teens, Bob Wallace owned many outstanding Bulldogs. He later obtained dogs from bloodlines of Dugan's "Pat". The second misconception concerning Bob Wallace was that he bred primarily "Red Nose" dogs. His original was quiet variable in color and were extremely talented dogs. Though these dogs did not show it, they carried a large amount of the "Red Nose" blood. One of the first foundation females of Bob Wallace was the famous Shipley's "Penny". Shipley's "Penny" was a direct descendant of the old Corcoran dogs. Wallace had always considered Corcoran to be one of the great breeders of all time. Other great dogs that are considered part of the foundation of the Wallace dogs were ones such as, Ferguson's "Centipede", Hall's "Searcy Jeff" and the famous Wallace's "Tony". "Tony" was said to be Wallace’s' pride and joy. Wallace bred Shipley's "Penny" to "Centipede" and produced these three great dogs, "Stinger" "Scorpion" and "Spider". He later bred "Searcy Jeff" to "Spider" and produced Wallace's "Madam Queen". When he bred "Madam Queen" to "Tony" he produced the ever-famous Wallace's "King Cotton". Other famous dogs appear in many of the popular "Old Family Red Nose" dogs of modern times are Wallace's "Red Rustler", "Red Rock" and "Red Rube", as well as the famous producing female Wallace's "Red Raven".

 The old advertisements of Bob Wallace during the 1940's clearly reflect the breeding and maintenance of the old Corcoran and Lightner Line of dogs. Most of the advertisements were stated in bold print. During the 1940's Bob Wallace began to look "Red Nose" dogs to outcross his own with. At this time he felt that his own dogs were getting as tight as could be productively bred. When he began his search he found that the pure "Old Family Red Nose" dogs were almost extinct. Most of the lines were ruined or contaminated through careless breeding. However, he was finally able to locate and obtain seven pure "Red Nose" dogs of high caliber, whose pedigree he could authenticate.

 Bob Wallace was a man of character and honesty and often stated that there is no "magic" to the "Old Family Red Nose" dogs, that they are just one good line of many. The "Red Nose" dogs have the intelligence, talent and personality to stand on their own merit. Bob Wallace has gone down in history as one of the greatest breeders of his ear. Over the years as a breeder, Bob Wallace was known to sell less than a dozen dogs. He stated that he never sold dogs as a matter of personal principle. The results of his dedication to the breed is still apparent and appreciated in the modern day American Pit Bull Terrier.

 This has been a short narrative introduction to the "Old Family Red Nose" dogs and few of the men dedicated to their preservation. It is by far complete or conclusive. Their significance cannot be finalized in a few short paragraphs. Entire volumes could be written on the "Old Family Red Nose" dogs and their place in the history of the American pit Bull Terrier.


I always enjoyed this story so I wanted to add it to my book. Thanks Ed for writing it.

This part here I want people to take notice because it applies to my line of dogs.


"When we discuss the origin of the "Old Family Red Nose" dogs, we are really discussing the original dogs bred by such men as William J. Lightner and Con Feeley."

"Now, not all of the offspring were whelped "Red Nose" from this stock. Some people still feel that the blood in the Con Feeley dogs was much more "Red Nose" then that of the Lightner dogs." 

Why I bring this up is because in Stratton's book he refers to the OFRN in Dibo. This blood he is referring to is the blood from Corvino's Shorty and Gimp. Sire was Bruce's Jerry which many believed was some of the purest of the imported Old Family Red Blood. Red Devil is based off Shorty and some of Gimp's bloodlines.

"It is said W.C. (Bill) Roper bred some of the best "Red Nose" dogs, sent to him by Jim Williams and Bob Wallace."

This part I highlighted because Bentley's Susie Que is heavy in William's bloodline and DeCordovas blood from Williams.

"I.D. Cole of Arizona also bred some extremely high caliber dogs, bred down from Slattery's "Mike" and William's "Blade". I.D. Cole also owned Cole's (Fulkerson's) "Spook", a direct grandson of the old Lightner's "Spook"."

Why I highlighted these dogs is because everyone knows Mitzie is off Hemphill's Geronimo but the bottom side is Clouse and it comes from Skaggs's Hemphill dogs and Mason red blood from Trice of I.D. Cole's blood which is in the pedigree of Clouse's Ch. Butcher Boy who was a light red/red nose.


THE REASON WHY I POSTED THIS IS SO PEOPLE NOW DAYS CAN UNDERSTAND WHEN THE REFERENCE IS MADE "OFRN" IT DOES NOT SOLELY MEAN HEMPHILL. WHEN PEOPLE QUIT PAPER BREEDING THEY WILL UNDERSTAND HOW TO GET WINNERS FROM THE OFRN STRAIN!!
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